Top 50 HR & Recruiting bad asses in APAC featuring – Matt Bartlett

Hey everyone,

I have been a bit slack getting posts up this week due to a few big games of cricket #GoAussies.

So cool that Australia and New Zealand will face off in the final.

We will get to see who the most bad-ass cricket team is in APAC on Sunday.

Anyway enough about cricket and back to the bad-asses of the HR and Recruiting world.


I am very pleased to be able to profile #43 on my list of HR and Recruiting bad asses of APAC.

I love what Matt Bartlett and his team have been doing for The Warehouse group and so I will let you hear from him.

They also have a job going in the team that you can see below.

Matt, what do you do in the HR/Recruiting Scene?

I am the Recruitment Manager for The Warehouse Group. Me and my team are part of the Retail Careers team who are charged with changing the perception of the retail industry as a genuine career option for people. We have twin objectives of targeting the top career retail talent and getting them into our businesses, as well as identifying top talent in other industries and talking to them about retail as a career. We started using the hashtag #retailcareers and are now seeing it being picked up across our business, and slowly into the wider industry. I have a vacancy in my team by the way #justsayin

Why/How did you get into the Industry?

I returned from 5 years in the UK in 2005 and went to see Retailworld Resourcing as a candidate. As agencies tend to do, they talked to me about giving recruitment a go. They had a foosball table, great social activity and perks and told a convincing story about why they thought I could be successful in their business, so I took the plunge. I was there for two years, and loved working with the key accounts that were loyal to them at the time. The BDM side of it, I wasn’t so keen on. So when I saw that several of my clients (Noel Leeming, Warehouse Stationery and The Warehouse – coincidentally all part of our group now) were looking at bringing in-house teams into their HR operations I decided to give it a go myself. That was in 2007, so I’m coming up 10 years in the industry now, 8 of which have been internally. I’ve realised that Internal and External recruitment are very different (cue debate…) and I am definitely on the side of internal recruitment where you can play a career advisory/mentor/guidance role to the team members in your business, and I really like that side of things. I also think there is more scope for creativity in sourcing and attraction campaigns, which is a fun side of what I do.

What is something we don’t know about you?

I am a world record holder – for the most people on a Stand Up Paddleboard at a time.

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Which people inspire you globally?

I saw Steve Fogarty speak at an ATC conference a few years back. At the time I was thinking about changing careers and going back into retail – into a Buyers role specifically. I came away from that conference inspired by Steve and reinvigorated that Recruitment meets a lot of what’s important to me. From that point on I haven’t considered changing careers again.

Another inspiration for me is a guy from Christchurch called Bevan James Eyles. He is a personal trainer who runs a couple of the world’s most popular podcasts on Triathlon and Health & Fitness. His back story is a great example of discovering a purpose in life, setting goals and working hard towards achieving them. He has a great social and industry profile that he has built himself, and his a noble purpose in positively impacting on people’s lives and their health. I see parallels between his industry and ours and when I listen to him or read his posts I often find myself thinking about equivalent opportunities in my world.

What about companies then, which inspire you globally?

Ive always liked Adidas – as a consumer and admirer of what they do with EB, Attraction and Sourcing. Zappos interest me – again for what they do with Attraction. Cotton On Group, Urban Outfitters and Walmart interest and inspire me in the retail industry.

More Insight put out some great content that I find myself nodding my head in agreement to when I read them. And sharing their stuff.

What advice would you give someone looking to enter this industry?

When I talk to grads I always tell them when they are starting off to not focus on money. Try to surround themselves with people who inspire them, grow them and take an interest in them as individuals. That might mean taking the lesser role offer first time up, but it will pay off in the long run. Other than that, working in a niche that you are passionate about has got to help. My background is retail, and I believe that retail is a great career option, that’s why I have been here for so long. But the great thing is that the learning experiences I have had here I could now apply to a multitude of industries.

What is your favourite drink?

If it’s the day time – a full fat flat white. Our onsite café does a good one. Did I mention I have a vacancy in my team?

If it’s the evening, then Moa Beer’s India Pale Ale is a good drop.

What are you currently reading?

I am currently reading The Talent Powered Organisation by Peter Cheese, Robert J Thomas and Elizabeth Craig. Trying to expand my knowledge beyond recruitment and into full life cycle talent management.

Why do you love the HR and Recruiting industry?

I used to struggle to identify myself with HR – in the generalist’s sense. And in some ways I still do. But I love what recruitment and talent management does for a business and an individual. We can help people achieve their personal and professional goals. We can influence people to make the right decisions, which will ultimately make them happy and their lives fulfilling. We can help a business develop their strategy through informing them of the talent market – there is no sense trying to do something in a short time frame, if there is no one actually capable of doing it!

On top of that, recruitment is a role that requires a wide variety of skills, – influencing, relationship building, creativity, being analytical, keeping your finger on the pulse, being action orientated, and being dynamic. It’s ever changing. Even after 10 years, and now with the added layer of managing a team, I still love the ‘role pick up’ conversation to kick off a good meaty role that needs recruiting.

Who would be top 5 on your list?

Tough call this one, I could have named 10 or 15 (everyone says that right?) but some that stand out to me are:

Angela Farrelly – I’ve sat in conferences and other industry events where Angela has spoken, and had coffee with her, and I always come away thinking I don’t have what it takes to make it in this industry – she is ‘next level’ in her thinking. So smart, so so smart!

Matt Pontin – I have known Matt for a few years now. His #hiremattpontin campaign was a stroke of genius and a great example of what he is capable of. It was one of those beautifully simple ideas that made people go “dammit why didn’t I think of that”! His willingness to share knowledge and kick around ideas make him one of the good guys.

Leslie Taylor – I’ve known Leslie for about 8 years now as a client and colleague, and her energy, output, creativity, enthusiasm and ability to make things happen inspires me. She has done so many great things for us as a business and she makes coming to work fun.

Amanda Tolley – Like Matt, Amanda is one of those people who is so willing to share ideas, knowledge and help out others in our industry. I’m sure that from time to time we would compete for the same candidates, but that doesn’t seem to be an issue for her. Amanda and I have met a few times to talk about things when I’ve been stuck for the next step.

Liz Hansen – I worked with Liz at Retailworld back in the day, and since then I’ve been trying to hatch a plan to get her on the same team as me again. She is a so good at what she does, comes up with such great initiatives, and is fun to have around the office.


Thanks for a good read Matt. Who would have known we have a guinness world record holder in the #NZRec community.

Top 50 HR & Recruiting bad asses in APAC featuring – Mark Sumner

Happy Monday everyone.

If you are new to this series please read this first in order to understand what I am trying to do.

In a nutshell, I am trying to help raise the profile of our industry and help our fellow HR and Recruiting people teach and learn.

I was at lunch the other day with Kirsti Grant, Jade Sheartsone and Tracy Earl and the topic came up that;

If you truly are trying to help all our industry then why don’t we all start some meetups to help people?

Not just meetups for recruiters and HR folk to get better, though a place where potentially a young start-up that cannot afford to hire an internal recruiter or pay agencies fees can also learn from us.

So I did.

I put my money (yes it costs to start a meetup) where my mouth is and have started the Wellington Recruitment Meetup.

If you are in Wellington or come to Welly then you should jump in and join, i am going to organise events and stuff soon.

Some jump in and join, even better though, I am looking speakers and also for some more people to help me organise and maintain it the site.

Some sponsors would be great too. Sponsors can provide venue, beer, wine and food for our meetups and you can plug your business. Contact me for details of helping run or to sponsor.

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But back to my list of amazeballs HR and Recruiting peeps in APAC…..

So, onto #18 on my list, the #Getin yelling while fist pumping guy that is Mark Sumner.

I have known Mark for a few years now and can tell you he is definitely one of the good guys of our industry. I have always enjoyed a beer a few beers with Mark and shooting the breeze about our industry. Unless you are hiding under a rock you will know that he and fellow fist pumper Matt Pontin have recently started the company #Getin and if you have not seen it, go and check it out now….

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Mark, what do you do in the HR/Recruiting scene?

I’m coming up to almost 2 decades spent in the Recruitment industry having worked for both agency and in-house recruitment teams spanning the UK, Australia and New Zealand. Looking at the grey hair sprouting across my temples I’d say I’m a seasoned Recruiter, Talent Sourcer and social media scholar who tweets, shares, checks in, blogs and generally spends my life having fun on the small screen. The only time I’m not tweeting is when I have a fishing rod in my hand.

I’ve recently, formed a partnership with Matt Pontin and we have launched a new cool start-up called #Getin which is all about helping businesses celebrate those fist pumping moments of success – when you punch the air with joy.

A few things we offer are current state analysis of how businesses attract talent and customers, then we work to recommend improvements across People, Process, Technology and ROI. We also provide training and consulting on how best to use social media for attracting customers and talent, helping business with employer branding or social media campaigns and recruitment training for both Recruiters and hiring managers.

Why/How did you get into the industry?

It’s almost a cliche now I guess but I really did fall into recruitment. Having spent 3 months travelling and skiing around Europe I returned to London and when being interviewed by an agency for roles they offered me a role with them as their Candidate Assistant, which really meant post boy and all things admin supporting their recruitment teams. Looking for more of a challenge I presented a business proposal to the COO and ended up doing 2 trips to South Africa sourcing qualified Chartered Accountants to work in London. Things must have gone well, or maybe the Braai’s and Beers in South Africa with the COO were appreciated, as I went on to lead the Candidate Management team a few years later, sourcing candidates globally to come and work in London.

What is something we don’t know about you?

I’m a pretty open book (see previous mention of living my life on the small screen) but one of my first jobs in London was as a Security / Bodyguard at a 5 star hotel where I got to meet all sorts of movie and pop stars from Madonna to Denzel Washington plus a few Princes from a large oil producing nation.

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Which people inspire you globally?

My wife of course! On a more professional note though there are a number of people who I learn from and am inspired by, and I’ll list a few, but there are hundreds of others too:

  • Bill Boorman– the effervescence in which Bill delivers a talk and his knowledge of all things digital and social  that relate to recruitment!
  • Matt Pontin – I worked under Matt in my previous role and am now lucky enough to have him as a business partner. One of the most inspirational leaders I have worked with I’m not sure Matt ever sleeps as his ideas log would rival any good thesis going around!
  • Kirsti Grant – Kirsti was one of the first people I met when I moved to NZ in 2010 and her wit, knowledge and “just do it” attitude really made me sit up and take notice and I still learn from her today. Her drive and magnetic personality have seen her now leading one of the most awesome talent functions globally at Vend.
  • Andy HeadworthAndy made the wise decision to come and speak at a conference her in NZ a few years back and his presentation and then conversation over a few beers afterwards really got me thinking about the whole social ecosystem and how we use it for recruitment on a global scale.
  • Paul Jacobs– Paul was probably the second person I met as a “business contact” here in NZ and his “out there” personality and ideas, not just around recruitment but gaming etc. have continued to inspire me to think outside the box.
  • The Rice Consulting crewJon Rice and Sean Walters have always told it like it is, pushed the boundaries and have never been afraid to back themselves. They are the epitome of where professional relationships turn into friendships and inspired me to tell it like it is. The Whiteboard blog is something I look forward to reading each and every Friday.

What about companies then, which inspire you globally? 

That’s a tough one but the likes of Atlassian, Vend, Rackspace, Adidas and Pepsi have been pretty awesome with their approach to talent and getting their brand out into the market through their employees and awesome social campaigns.

What advice would you give someone looking to enter this industry?

Be yourself, everyone else is taken” – pretty sure that’s how the quote goes. I think Recruiters need to remember that they don’t just represent the brand they work for but their own personal brand is what potential clients are drawn to when looking to partner with Recruiters.

It is imperative Recruiters manage their online personal brands to maximise potential and draw clients to them.

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What is your favourite drink?

Coffee, coffee and more coffee although of an evening I find it hard to go past a good cold beer, generally of the craft Lager or Pilsener variety – Tuatara being the current favourite

What are you currently reading?

I love a good biography but find it hard to go past one of my favourite authors of all time and am currently reading Wilbur Smith’s “Desert God”.

Why do you love the HR and Recruiting industry?

Working with people, for me, is as fascinating as it gets. HR and Recruiting is the ultimate form of “people watching” and we get to impact people’s lives. It also seems that HR /Recruiting is leading the way in the use of digital, tech and social which is phenomenal to see! 

Who would be top 5 on your list?

For varying reasons I could add way more than 5 but you’re forcing my hand here Troy so I’ll have to say:

1. Matt Pontin

2. Jon Rice

3. Mathew Bosher

4. Paul Jacobs

5. Mark Mansour

Also all of the Vend and Fletcher Building crew and, and, and …. as I said I think there some awesome people on here!


Thanks Mark.

Maybe The Wellington Recruitment meetup can get you to come and share some wisdom at one our events one day.

Troy.

Top 50 HR & Recruiting bad asses in APAC featuring – Ross Clennett

Hello.

As regular readers will know, I have been running this series of blog posts from my list of top 50 HR and Recruiting bad-asses and profiling the people on this list.

I am writing this post late (in my lunch break), normally I do this late at night and I write an overview on a topic that interests me.

However,  if you glance across to my twitter feed on the right of this page you will note I drank way too much Guinness last night.

So I am a bit too tired hung-over to write something.

However after re-reading Ross’s profile, I went and watched “Simon Sinek: Why Leaders Eat Last” again.

I love this talk, even though I have seen it 20 times. I recommend you go and watch it. It goes for about 45mins and so maybe not at work, though when you get home.


So #27 on my list is Ross Clennett and a guy whom I recently had a great debate. It was all good fun and so I hope you all look forward to reading his profile as much as I did.

Ross is a high performance recruitment coach and recruitment industry blogger and commentator.As a professional recruiter, between 1989 and 2003, Ross screened over 80,000 resumes, interviewed over 3,000 people and successfully placed over 1,500 people in work. Over this time he worked in London, Sydney, Adelaide and Melbourne.

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What do you do in the HR/Recruiting scene?

Since 2003 I have run my own coaching and training business, RossClennett.com, from my home office in Mornington (60km SE of the Melbourne CBD). My clients are almost all owners of small and medium-sized recruitment agencies in Australia, New Zealand and Singapore. Most of my services are provided via webinar, Skype or phone. I have also been blogging every week since September 2007.

Why/How did you get into the industry?

Like many career recruiters I had no thought of recruitment as a likely career while I was studying (BEc, University of Tasmania). Like many Aussies and Kiwis I decided that London was a good post-degree option. When I arrived I went to an agency recommended by a friend of mine (Accountancy Personnel, now Hays) and the recruiter talked me into a job with them as a permanent accounting recruiter in the AP office just near Victoria station. The rest, as they say in the classics, is history.

What is something we don’t know about you?

At university I was a very committed amateur thespian and student politician and had I not gone to London after graduating, I may have had a very different life.

Which people inspire you globally?

I’m not sure inspire is quite the word I would use to describe the following people, it’s probably more respect:

  • Kevin Wheeler (US)  Kevin would be older than 99% of recruiters operating today yet he has a boundless energy to understand the trends shaping recruitment globally and he has a wonderful way of communicating that knowledge  whether by word, on stage or over  dinner with a good glass of red.
  • Greg Savage (Aus) I worked for Greg for nine years and he has been the person who has had the biggest impact on me , professionally. Even after thirty plus years in recruitment Greg still loves recruitment and has done more than anybody in Australia to raise the educational and ethical standards of our industry.
  • Geoff Morgan & Andrew Banks Geoff and Andrew showed the recruitment industry how to build a profitable and scalable public recruitment company. Their skill at doing this is evidenced by, in the fifteen subsequent year, how many people have tried to emulate their example, and almost all have failed.
  • Nigel Heap has had an extraordinary 27 year career at Hays. He completely turned around Hays in Australia and NZ  when he started as MD in the mid-1990’s and built a profit and people powerhouse. He is now applying the same skills to the Hays Uk & Ireland business, with similar results.

What about companies then, which inspire you globally?  I am not inspired easily! Again I would say that I respect a company like Atlassian for their approach to talent. My former employer, Hays, has, despite all their critics, proven to be a very successful company no matter what global market they enter (the USA remains an exception).  In the Aus/NZ recruitment industry, companies like people2people, Wavelength International, Six Degrees Executive and Madison Recruitment are all ones I admire.

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What advice would you give someone looking to enter this industry?

Keep your focus narrow and simple. Don’t over complicate recruitment!

As an example I see three or four page position descriptions and I despair. If you need more than one page for a PD you are probably making things harder and more complicated than it needs to be.

What is your favourite drink?

Beer. The pale ales that come from Little Creatures, Cascade and Coopers are all excellent although I am always open to trying a beer I haven’t tasted before!

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What are you currently reading?

Start with Why: How Great Leaders Inspire Everyone to Take Action by Simon Sinek. Prior to that, Influence: Science and Practice (5th edition) by Robert B. Cialdini . I also always have a music industry memoir or biography on the go. I have just finished James Freud’s (The Models) first memoir as well as a recent Bee Gees biography (by David N. Meyer) and Led Zeppelin biography (by Mick Wall).

Why do you love the HR and Recruiting industry?

It’s an industry that is more important than ever (no matter what some people say), it’s never dull, I always meet interesting people and I owe by living to it.

Who would be top 5 on your list?

(To count as a Thought Leader in my book you have to regularly either blog or speak at conferences, or both)

Greg Savage, Jonathan Rice, Rob Davidson, Craig Watson, James Elliott, Paul Jacobs

(I would love to include a few women on this list but, unfortunately, very few women in Aus/NZ recruitment blog or speak regularly, Nicole Underwood being an exception in Australia.)

I would have included Joris Luijke (ex-Atlassian) but as he now lives and works in New York  I’ll have to regard him as ineligible for a 2015 list.


Thanks Ross, you should know that I debated dropping an F-Bomb in this post, though thought I would refrain.

Please comment below who you would like to hear from next……

Top 50 HR & Recruiting bad asses in APAC featuring – Vanessa Payne

Hello again,

I have been recognising the amazing people we have in HR and Recruiting in APAC, you can catch up here if you have not visited this series before.

Before you hear from #16 on the list I wanted to ask (NZ peeps) if you have got your tickets to www.it18.co.nz yet?

It’s a great conference that I have really learned a great deal from and so suggest you all get a ticket.

IT18 is the first and only event dedicated to talent management and recruitment in the IT sector. The event exclusively focuses on talent management in the tech sector, with a special focus on the attraction, recruitment and retention of IT professionals in NZ.

Some of the most innovative technology companies, large corporations, new start-ups, research houses, professional associations will speak at the event. Speakers will offer a wide range of perspectives and stories. Subjects will range from hiring top technical talent to building great workplaces for IT professionals. Agenda includes exploring the latest trends in attracting, hiring and managing technology professionals in NZ. IT18 is a must-attend event for those who manage or hire IT professionals.

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Now, onto the reason why you actually came here. I first met #16 Vanessa Payne when I joined Vend.  She is one of those hard-working recruiters who does an amazing job and is not as vocal on SoMe as some of us and so her abilities probably go largely unnoticed (Unless you work at Vend.) I can testament that she really is a phenomenally talented recruiter and I learn things from her all the time. Also she is she is one of the funniest people I have met and can find a snack in world record time.

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Vanessa, what do you do in the HR/Recruiting scene?

I’m a Talent Manager at Vend. I’ve been here for nearly ten months now and time has absolutely flown by. When I started it was just Kirsti and myself looking after recruitment (now we have a team of four). My role initially was to focus on growing our product, engineering, and technology teams here in Auckland. I still do all of those things, but my role has expanded to include recruitment for our customer success team, our analytics and insights team, our marketing team.. The list goes on! I’ve recently been tasked with setting up our grad programme too #allthethings

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Why/How did you get into the industry?

Before coming to Vend I worked at Potentia (IT recruitment agency) for three and a half years. I started at Potentia straight out of university in an administration role, not really knowing what I wanted to do career-wise. After about five months in that role, Josh Comrie gave me an opportunity to transition into a resourcing / talent management role and I never really looked back.

 

What is something we don’t know about you?

When I was in my mid teens I was absolutely obsessed with WWE (or WWF, depending on your vintage). I got to meet Dave Batista and Shane McMahon when they came to NZ and I nearly cried with happiness

Which people inspire you globally?

I’m inspired by anyone in any sort of spotlight that still manages to maintain a sense of authenticity. I love Chelsea Handler – she’s hysterically funny, she does and says what she wants, when she wants, and I feel like what you see is what you get with her. We’re also very privileged to have Claudia Batten on our board here at Vend, she kicks asses and takes names. I’m also really inspired by the wonderful people I work with – anyone who is doing something they love.

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What about companies then, which inspire you globally?

I really like Etsy and The Little Market – companies that try to do good for others. Givealittle is a cool company doing nice things here in NZ.

What advice would you give someone looking to enter this industry?

If you’re looking to enter this industry as a graduate or somebody that has relatively little experience in the workforce I would say choose your employer carefully. Make sure there are people who you can learn from and be mentored by. I think it’s also really important, no matter how many years’ experience you have under your belt, to have a realistic view of company culture. The day-to-day experience of working there needs to line up with that company’s projected values.

What is your favourite drink?

Champagne. Unlike a lot of Vend-ers I’m not a fan of craft beer.

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Hehehe, I found this on Facebook VP and it was too perfect not to use.

What are you currently reading?

Not much! Unfortunately reading has taken a bit of a backseat for me over the past few months. The most recent book I read was ‘The Goldfinch’ and that was fantastic. If anyone has any fiction recommendations then I am all ears!

Why do you love the HR and Recruiting industry?

This has changed and evolved over the past few years but what I keep coming back to is that moment when you offer somebody a role and they say;

‘REALLY?? ARE YOU SERIOUS?? I CAN’T BELIEVE IT!”.

I had one of those moments the other day and it was awesome. People and culture is just so integral to business and success. I think working in recruitment gives you a backstage look at lots of other departments, and what’s not to love about that.

Who would be top 5 on your list?

This is so difficult – I’m going to limit it to people who I’ve actually met to help narrow it down..

Julian Lambert, I’ve been lucky enough to work closely with him for many years. Julian is so smart, really genuine, and just a nice guy to be around.

I must mention Kirsti Grant – we all know that Kirsti is great at what she does, but her “do the impossible” and “break all the rules” attitude never ceases to amaze.

Dale & Simon from Weirdly definitely get a shout out from me. Weirdly is such a breath of fresh air in this industry and the whole team is so down to earth.

Matt Bartlett deserves a place too. He gave a very inspiring presentation about how The Warehouse does talent acquisition at RHUB last year – there was an audible gasp from the audience when he talked about the number of people hired last year vs. number of people in the talent team. Super efficiency over there.

There are so many others that are tied for my fifth place! You, Troy. You’re awesome. There are lots of people from Potentia that I’ve learned from and who are much better recruiters than me. A very wise person once said to me “most recruiters are dicks” and I generally tend to agree, most of us out there are hustlers. If you love the companies you work for and respect the candidates you work with, there’s a place for you on my list.


Thanks Vanessa, yes I also agree there is a lot of ‘dick recruiters’ out there and thus why I am hoping that we are helping our industry to get better and learn from this.

I look forward to a future where the HR and Recruiting industry is looked at in admiration and respect across all businesses and business units.

Until that day, everybody should go out there and do your bit to raise our profile.

Top 50 HR & Recruiting bad asses in APAC featuring – Hassanah Rudd

Hello fellow HR and Recruiting professionals, visitors to the series with an interest in our profession, newcomers and everyone else.

If you are new to this series you can catch up here.

The rest of you will know by now that, I am doing this to lift the profile of people in our industry that are doing great work, and so I am not going to write any more here.

What I will do though, is talk about something really special that happened out of America yesterday and quickly went global.

#RTOK was everywhere on twitter yesterday, and while I was super busy and did not actually get a chance to participate (yet) I caught up on it much later in the night.

It is/was an initiative from Lars Schmidt of Amplify Talent and to explain, it is easier to quote him directly from his blog.

Last year I tried an experiment called “Random Tweets Of Kindness“. The concept was rather simple. I spent one-day recognizing people who had an impact on me in some way. Many of them helped or inspired me personally. Others were people whose work or style I admired. Most were having a positive impact on their field, freely sharing their knowledge and expertise.

Well done Lars, I absolutely loved this and also what you are doing in general and from this side of the world we tip our hats to you.


Someone whom also has as much passion for our industry and the betterment of it is #32 on the list

Of course this is the effervescent Hassanah Rudd.

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She is someone I met for the first time at one of Rice Consulting’s #RicePowWow meetups.

I was instantly drawn to her as we chatted about the betterment of our industry and our passion for actually doing good and not just doing it for the money.

Of course after sobering up the next day after what i remember was way too many Jägerbombs, I started my mission to hire her in my team. (for my previous employer)

So when I booked an interview with her I was pretty elated. As it turned out her husband got a job offer in Sydney in the time between booking this interview and her coming in.

Now, I could not let her go that easy and so I introduced her to our CEO in Australia. Of course they hit it off and Hassanah was offered a role not in my team, though on a peer level to me and I was delighted. Together we worked our ass off to change a recruitment agency business that was considered an ostrich with its head in the sand unaware of the changes taking place around it. She did a fantastic job and I absolutely loved working with her, everyday being inspired by her and the vast amount of learnings she offered everyone in the company.

So grab your coffee and take 5 minutes to enjoy some insight into ‘HRudd’ below

Hassanah, what do you do in the HR/Recruiting scene?

I’ve just taken the move In House after 20+ years on the dark side. I head recruitment for Fletcher Building in Australia and absolutely loving it!


Why/How did you get into the industry?

Years ago in the UK I worked for the Job Centre in Oxford and we had a lot of temp roles coming in, mainly from agency. The system back then was so slow, that from the role being called in, to the job being listed on our boards it could take 3 days or more. So I set up a temp desk to bypass that and look after all the temp roles. All the agencies I dealt with kept telling me I should be in Recruitment so when I moved to NZ that’s the role I went for…and never left.

I am now a complete recruiter tragic..

What is something we don’t know about you?

I adore Military History and have book cases full of them. When people come round to my house the blokes peruse the shelves and always turn to my husband to ask about them. He then has to tell them, that no, they are not his but his weirdly obsessed wife.

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Which people inspire you globally?

There are so many it’s difficult to choose a few. I’d have to say Bill Boorman, most people know him, but do not miss an opportunity to actually meet him, he’s fantastic and I love the way he challenges us to look at recruiting differently. Michael Carty in the UK – he’s a fab guy as well as being effectively the HR wikipedia – He curates fascinating blogs and information for his followers. Matt Charney for the story telling (and snark), Damon Klotz – you have to see the stuff he’s been doing! Andy Headworth, Will Staney, Perry Timms, Gem Ruecroft, Christopher DeMers, Neil Morrison…ok I best stop…it’s a long list.


What about companies then, which inspire you globally?

Atlassian & Vend for having great cultures and really opening the door to who they are. It’s also nice to see tech companies down here going global. And my own – Fletcher Building, we are not cool tech, but man we do good stuff and it’s full with really awe inspiring people.

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What advice would you give someone looking to enter this industry?

It is the best job in the world & if you love the roller coaster of life there is nothing better. What we do as Recruiters makes a real impact on people’s lives and the success of organisations. It’s a job you should be proud of.

It’s not always easy, not by a long shot! And you have to be pretty resilient. But if you soak up all the knowledge you can get and continue to learn every day it really is a great profession to get into.

Choose companies that really invest in training and places you can be mentored by good recruiters. That’s important when you are starting out.

What is your favourite drink?

Mt Difficulty Pinot Noir & Moet

What are you currently reading?

A World Gone Social by Ted Coine & Mark Babitt, HR From Now to Next by Jason Averbrook & The latest Jeremy Clarkson book I picked up at the airport recently.

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Why do you love the HR and Recruiting industry?

The impact we make..it’s under estimated and it shouldn’t be. I also love the HR/Rec community on Social, I learn so much each day and the sharing that goes on is wonderful.


Who would be top 5 on your list?

Richard Westney, Amanda Sterling, everyone in the earlier question..which is cheating I know. Also my boss Keith Muirhead…(just don’t tell him else he’ll think I’m sucking up)

But he’s a great Recruiting leader who fly’s a little under the radar.

Thank-you Hassanah, always a pleasure. Monday morning we are back with someone I can hand on heart say is an amazing recruiter and also fly’s under the radar. I know this as I work with her (Vanessa Payne) everyday.

Have a great friday everyone and tell someone they are awesome if they deserve it.

You my readers are most definitely awesome…. #RTOK

Top 50 HR & Recruiting bad asses in APAC featuring – Mark Souter

Oh hai!

Hopefully you’re back again and so I don’t have to explain the history of this post, though if you’re a first time reader, please read the back story here while we all wait.

So, I am actually starting to feel this crazy old idea of bringing this APAC community of ours closer together by continuously posting is working. Yesterday I attended a catch up with internal recruiters in Wellington, NZ from some of the who’s who brands in tech and I was really impressed with how everyone is helping each other to get better in our roles. It was amazing to see, as traditionally most recruiters here keep to themselves and I have had to go mostly online to share and learn. (more me learning tbh)

Anyway – yay Wellington.

What’s that, you are not from NZ and don’t know of Wellington!!!!

Well check out the below video to see about little old Wellington. Some (not me cause it’s stupid) are calling it SiliconWelly because of how amazing the start-up tech scene is here. So while I am not so keen on gimmicky names as Welly should find it’s name, I will say it’s pretty rad here. As my blog is attracting loads of readers per day outside of Aus/NZ I thought I would throw my adopted town a plug.

Hope you enjoyed the video, I found it on YouTube a while back when a candidate asked me why he should move to Wellington. I sent him that vid, I’m not sure why he never did come here thinking about it now.

The actual video was made as you probably noted to attract Aussies over The Tasman Sea.

Speaking of Aussies though (wow what a segway) I am really pleased to be able to profile #37 on this list with you.

I was quite interested to hear these answers, and I was not disappointed….

Ladies and Gentlemen I give you Mark Souter

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I first heard about Mark, when Will Staney was raving about how good he was when Will was in NZ for www.it18.co.nz last year. (Also, get your tix for this years it18 as it’s approaching fast in Welly and Auckland)

Will told me I should definitely follow Mark and have a beer with him. Well I have not managed to have a beer with him (yet) though I have been following him and have some mad respect for his work.

Mark, what do you do in the HR/Recruiting scene?

It seems that many, at some stage, have shared the question of how to clearly articulate & credibly demonstrate the true business impact of investing in people & culture strategy. As a HR Director, I’ve often heard executives & business leaders proclaim sentiment along the lines of how “people are (their) most important asset.” That broad perspective is rarely debated. However using numbers, for example, to link how a compelling place to work, relates to a compelling place for customers to spend &, ultimately, a compelling place for others to invest in the business, is not altogether common.

I work with HR & business leaders to explore their organisation’s strategy, uncover what that means for people (or ‘HR’) priorities & build business cases with benchmark data on how unified HR technology is the key link in the HR/Recruiting & business relationship. I also enjoy sharing the stories of other people’s successes in HR & recruitment & learning from perspectives that are different to mine. I enjoyed working as a HR Director, as well as now being “in & of the business” I supported from a HR perspective, in an external customer facing role with SAP-SuccessFactors.

Why/How did you get into the industry?

The ‘why’ was from quite a simple revelation when I was at high school. The connection between, and the importance of, people & work grabbed my attention, as work is where many find a sense of identity & spend a vast amount of their lives. Unsurprisingly with this interest, I didn’t have many high school dates either! I was fascinated to learn about entrepreneurs and people being bold & starting new businesses, as well as the early trade union movements and their endeavours. I thought this was so interesting that I believed that the girls in my class, just had to notice how cool I was by understanding a little about the division of labour, free markets and productivity. I was wrong. The ‘how’ was from a customer when I laboured as a landscaper, who happened to be a CFO. He learned I had recently completed my degree in Industrial Relations/ HR & he arranged an interview for me with the HR Vice President. I was hired for a 3 month contract, which turned into 2 years of HR & recruiting work.

What is something we don’t know about you?

I trained as a baker & paid my way through University, working the night shift & studying during the day.

Which people inspire you globally?

Brad Eastman, “Beastman”, a friend & artist based out of Sydney, Australia. His art is featured in the background in the earlier photo. Kirsty Harkness, who is a New Zealand entrepreneur who started Tiger Tiger photography & now also creates award-winning wines. Will Staney, a friend & former team mate of mine who I hope to work with again, is an excellent recruiting technology lead. David Bagheri, who has worked in microfinance with Australian primary industries & is now based in London. Jeff Diana, the best Chief People Officer I’ve known & worked for, who hired me for the opportunity at SuccessFactors to lead the HR practice in Asia Pacific through a period of tremendous growth.

What about companies then, which inspire you globally?

The types of companies & organisations that inspire many people, are usually ones that don’t appear to be driven solely by traditional Wall St values. They have a uniqueness about them. I read a quote recently by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry; “If you want to build a ship, don’t drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea.” For me, the companies that inspire me are ones that perhaps hold that type of vision that de Saint-Exupéry describes, be it small local businesses like Search & Be Found, The 4217  & Australian businesses that are creative and reaching international audiences like Redbubble.

What advice would you give someone looking to enter this industry?

Don’t despise the days of small beginnings. When you do the work that others are less enthusiastic to do, you’ll be promoted to where everyone else wants to be. The leaders in this industry have prepared for years & they are willing to generously share their knowledge. You have access via social media to expertise that just one decade ago was unheard of. For those who are already leaders in this industry, what leaders you are genuinely following & learning from? If your (highly unlikely) answer is no one, welcome to the highest place of leadership you’ll achieve.

What is your favourite drink?

Beer, scotch, water & coffee. In that order.

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What are you currently reading?

I’m looking at our identical twin little boys, who are learning how to write their names. I’m reading their different, some more or less accurate, interpretations of their names. Some attempts resemble looking at the inside of “the precious” ring, in ‘Lord of the Rings’. They’ve recently started this learning activity & they’re getting better every day at it.

Why do you love the HR and Recruiting industry?

It’s the most recognised & influential part of a business, in my opinion, where the best is yet to come. So many great ideas, technologies and creative approaches are being prepared for those in this space, who care about people & business.

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Who would be top 5 on your list?

Obviously there are many people who could, and perhaps should, have been included in Troy’s list. Without taking anything away from them, the same observation may also be applied to these five people I’ve elected here.

I’d like to highlight Colin Ellis, Sarah Miller, Michael Specht, Amanda Sterling & Vanessa Wiltshire, for their shared knowledge and all their contributions in building better HR practices. You’ve all influenced, challenged & encouraged me in my understanding of people & HR practice.

It’s great to see Troy placing value on others in this field & most importantly help building new community. For that endeavour, Troy, thank you. I believe your actions have inspired people, to encourage others in HR & recruitment. It has done for me.


Thanks Mark, really cool stuff there and I look forward to having a beer with you soon.

Ok, so I have been getting some people ask me who is going to be next and so the order I have now is Hassanah Rudd, Vanessa Payne and after that it is up to you.

Comment below on who you would like to hear from on the list. Also do you have any special questions you want me to ask them.

Cheers

Troy

Top 50 HR & Recruiting bad asses in APAC featuring – Dan Nuroo

Welcome back, or hello for the first time.

You should know, I started writing my blog on the top 50 HR and Recruiting bad-asses because….

I wanted to showcase hard-working HR and recruitment folk from APAC (well, maybe really Australasia) because I am really inspired by people on this list and the many, many others not on the list but on this side of the world.

It (the actual list of names) appears to have caused some controversy and to that I say; “great.”

If this list gets people thinking about what they personally can do to help educate, inspire and mentor the younger and or inexperienced people in our domain, then I am happy.  I hope the people who have sent me nasty emails for omitting them or those that sent tweets shooting the list down also choose to help people too. (I have had way more nice emails and tweets so don’t worry about me)

I do agree with some people who have commented and said, “Well these are the people with the loudest voices.”

Yes they probably are.

I remember thinking when I was an agency recruiter that all these people thought leaders on Twitter had too much time on their hands.

Surely the best recruiters were us hard-working sods who did not get time to tweet right?

Well I was wrong, (this seldom happens.) 😉

Though what I learned by engaging with some of these people, and then by throwing myself into this world also, was that majority of us do this to help our peers. We post before work and in the evenings (currently 10pm Sunday night) not just to profile ourselves (maybe not all), but to help engage and grow our community by learning and sharing.

I recently saw this blog posted on a recruiting Facebook group I am a member of and what I saw got me very annoyed. Ironically it was not the blog itself:

(TL;DR version – “Recruiters are the worst form of human garbage”)

Though rather what annoyed me was the comments of what a crazy guy this must have been to write something like this. Well that to me is just crazy itself, why do we choose to slag someone off because they are obviously struggling with our industry? We know our industry has been painted with an untrustworthy brush and that yes, people feel this way about us. However, I believe it is up to us hard-working HR and Recruiters to fix this by doing good and helping each other be better to raise the profile and hard work we do to ALL audiences. 

This is why I wrote the blog and why I am really enjoying to continue profiling amazing people from the blog. What is also great is the list of people you should follow and be inspired by is increasing every time someone answers the last question on these posts.

But enough from me and back to the actual person who you came here to read about.


Since joining the industry, someone I have admired and respected from back home in Melbourne is Dan Nuroo who is #45 on the list (randomly generated order by the way.)

Dan describes himself as a “Career Recruiter, Recruitment Manager, IT Consulting know it all, Employer Branding and SoMe enthusiast. Father, cynic and Lover of bright and shiny objects.

So let’s read some information on him and also see something we will never be able to unsee.

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Dan, what do you do in the HR/Recruiting scene?

I’m a Recruiting tragic. My current title is GM or Recruitment for a medium-sized Consulting company called IMA Management and Technology. Here, I am responsible for anyone who joins our business. I’m the full circle, not just in body shape. The fun bit is I get to play in anything I want to in the name of Recruitment. There’s even a line on our P&L called Dan’s crazy ideas! Yes, it’s fun and there’s a heap of freedom.


Why/How did you get into the industry?

I was a wannabe HR person!  Although I didn’t really see eye to eye with my HR lecturers at Uni, I thought it was the place for me.  I was suckered into Recruiting.  The role I applied for out of uni was an HR Coordinator.  Sounded really good, and they hired me. Winning! It wasn’t what I expected.  It wasn’t really an HR role.  It was a resourcing role.  I added people to the database. I was told that “well our Resources are human and you are coordinating them!” when I questioned my job. I hated Recruitment to start off with, as I believed the anti-hype everyone (read HR people and other hiring managers and candidates) told me about Recruiters.  It took me a while to find my rhythm and love for the game, but once it arrived, well, this tragic was born again.

What is something we don’t know about you?

I was “Mr June” for a nude all male calendar once upon a time.  Sorry Mum.

Troy: Yes I found it on Bill Borman’s Facebook page Dan. 🙂 Click play below everyone. Be careful though as you cannot unsee this. 

Which people inspire you globally?

This is really tough.  I’m not really wired that way, not a fan boy  in any way shape or form.  I am a sucker for a good biography though, you’ll find heaps of sporting biographies and autobiographies in my book shelf.  Probably just living vicariously through the life I initially wanted before the lack of sporting ability became a reality I had to face.

That said, I mentioned at the start of this I am a Recruiting tragic.  I love sitting at the feet of the industry elders (and free thinking weirdos) and soaking it all in. People who take the time to share with the wider community are just awesome, luckily enough there are heaps of them.

What about companies then, which inspire you globally?

The people from Recruitingblogs.com and ERE.Net.  (they’re companies right?) Can’t wait to one day get to a conference of theirs. The people from ATC too, their vision, actually changed my view of Recruitment and myself. Apart from that, companies that are happy to try stuff and then are happy to share for example, the Zappos teams, the Rackspace people, Atlassian (for an Aussie mention)

What advice would you give someone looking to enter this industry?

Believe in yourself and the industry and believe in the service you are offering and the value add you are bringing to both people and organisations.  Don’t be afraid to try stuff, but remember why you’re doing it not just because it sounds cool.

What is your favourite drink?

Bourbon and coke zero.  I’m a simple guy with a simple palate.  I’ll enjoy a beer or a wine and suffer through a whisky, but give me a bourbon and coke and I’m yours… well happy at the very least.

What are you currently reading?

Apart from the daily blogs and whatever Twitter hashtags throw up at me. I ticked off “war and peace” last year, to just say I did it.  I followed that by the “Game of thrones” extravaganza, I’m now ploughing through a  heap of free iBooks from the iTunes store on my iPad on my daily commutes. (enough “i’s” there?)

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Why do you love the HR and Recruiting industry?

Why wouldn’t you? You get direct impact on a company’s success and if you play it right, you get to play with heaps of cool stuff in the name of “finding new ways to attract people”.  If you ask my kids what I do for a living, they’ll say, “Dad drinks coffee, talks to people and plays on Social Media all day”.  I mean who wouldn’t want to do that?


Who would be top 5 on your list?

I love people who share openly and work behind the scenes for the industry, helping and connecting.  I always sit up and take notice of these people. Shit do I have to just do 5?

Steve Levy. This man just rocks.  Yeah he can be a little grumpy and opinionated (can’t we all) but he works tirelessly for the betterment of our industry and is always open for a chat or to be a sounding board.  Definite no bullshit approach.

Bill Boorman. We all know him, he’s hard to miss.  The impact he has had globally, after putting his all into this social media thing, is nothing short of amazeballs. I’m proud to say I knew him before the facial hair, the trademark hat and being the global phenom he now is.  I really did think he was just a bot in the early days as there was never a time the man wasn’t online.

Michael Keleman aka @animal This dude, is not everyone’s cup of tea.  Probably not even his own sometimes.  But he is definitely a splash of colour in our space.  He connects people and is open to help anyone.  Check the radio show if you haven’t heard it, get over the noise and you’ll get lots of gems out of it. (promise)

Maureen Sharib.  You want to know how to connect with people on the phone? Get away from the secrecy of the computer and get to speak to real people, listen and read Maureen’s stuff.

Andy Headworth.  Just can’t get enough of this guy’s stuff, smart, sensible and just plain awesome.  I’m shattered I didn’t make it to NZ to meet him when he came out for a conference last year (or was it the year before).

Oh crap.. this is Troy’s blog… Gotta give him a big shout out for doing this, and for stirring the pot in the Rec space.

Heaps of honourable mentions but I’ll stop.


Thanks Dan.

I hope you have enjoyed this post on Dan and stay tuned for profiles on Hassanah Rudd and Vanessa Payne later in the week.

Troy.